i'm from switzerland and if the day comes with article 13, we just would enagle geo blocking.

Everything is then changed. All Content should then be checked.

Will keep an eye on this and I honestly wonder how is other companies like Google, Youtube, Vimeo are going to cope with this. It's going to be insane, especially for the EU continent.

we think everything - which content related is - will went to azure, amazone aws or own datacentres for checking uploads.

And over CDN will it be feeded again into the websites. And i think Microsoft will provide easy build webhooks. I think you can't build such things at stackideas. its to heavy.

Hm, yeah to come to think about it, all these cdn and remote storage is going to have a whole load of legal issues to deal with. It's going to be pretty tricky.

yeah in the company (300k users) no one has an idea how to solve it else. Its gonna costs so **** much.
Because Microsoft Teams, Outlook, SharePoint, Yammer is hosted on our server itself.

I wonder if Article 13 will coincide with GDPR. Which has a higher authority? The user's own content or the site that owns the copyright of contents on the site :|

I imagine it like this. A media company from Europe does not want its contents to be shared by EasySocial. The administrator adds the site https://europa.eu/european-union/index_en to a list. And if a user share a link from this page, then a "blocking message" appears instead of the content.

The Art.13 is not about sharing but about uploading/copying copyrighted material/content.

You can still share or embed but you have to be cautious about what your users upload or copy any copyrighted material.
I suppose you have a Copyright notice on your own website, who does not?
You do not want someone to copy your content that required (or not) a hard work and make it available on any other platform without your consent, do you ?

I suppose if you share a restricted copyrighted material you are not faulty but the platform where the content was upload is guilty...

This Art.13 aims to block uploads like this one : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHY1e3n5BSs or this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR_GJIToDR8

I wonder if Article 13 will coincide with GDPR. Which has a higher authority? The user's own content or the site that owns the copyright of contents on the site :|

The owner of the content - the user who "writes" the content - is ALWAYS proprietary, the website never own someone else content.
Then it depends if the content owner is an employee who's job was to write the content on the company website or scenarios alike... then the company (website owner) owns the content.

Oh, I've started a discussion here.

My idea is that this madness about the Internet in the European Union is basically the fault of a few very large old paper press media groups. I would like to reverse this by excluding them, so that they realise that this madness only harms those themselves. For many years these corporations have overslept the Internet and are now blaming the Internet for the fact that the paper press is dying out.

These companies must understand that they can only survive with the Internet and not against it.

And §13 is basically about content. The point is that these paper presses want to earn money with their content.

But let's just wait and see if the European Union is really stupid enough to continue destroying the Internet business.

Nevertheless, I would find such an exclusion function very valuable in the future. That would protect you as an operator.

Oh, I've started a discussion here.

..EasyDiscuss

I am not sure you do understand the purpose of the Art.13... or is it me who does not?
Please read this BBC article:https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47239600

Another possibility would be to introduce a payment system. So that everyone who creates a page or a group decides for themselves if the users have to pay something to join the group/like the page.

The bottom line is that you want them to create the content, earn money.

So a very extensive payment system could also help. But it would be an extreme effort for PayPlans. Because then it would have to run approximately in such a way as with PokerStars. People deposit money and the money is distributed back and forth...

Whatever. Any function in the future would be great.

Hi Supporter, the bottom line is that site operators should pay for content. See Facebook. Facebook currently earns a lot of money for uncreated content. A community, so they argue, without foreign contents of the newspapers (news) is worth nothing. Copyright means that everyone should get money for their content. And not the site operators alone earn. The whole thing with §13 is very confused, but that will not be the end. I only think ahead what will come. That also experts say. The European Union has a regulatory madness by powerful lobbyists from the paper press ... And that is why an exclusion list or a payment system like PokerStars would be very important. And BBC is part of this lobbyists

Wikipedia demonstrated today against $13 with closed side, see:

https://de.wikipedia.org

THIS IS OUR LAST CHANCE. HELP US MODERNISE COPYRIGHT IN EUROPE.
Dear Visitor,

why can't you use Wikipedia as usual? The authors of Wikipedia have decided to shut Wikipedia down today in protest against parts of the planned EU copyright reform. This law is due to be passed by the European Union Parliament on 26 March.

The planned reform could lead to a considerable restriction of the free Internet. Even the smallest Internet platforms would have to prevent copyright infringements by their users (Article 13 of the planned law), which would in practice only be possible by means of error- and misuse-prone upload filters. In addition, all websites would have to acquire licences for short text excerpts from press products in order to comply with a newly introduced publishers' right (Article 11). Both together could significantly impair freedom of expression, freedom of the arts and freedom of the press.

Although at least Wikipedia is explicitly excluded from Article 13 of the new Copyright Directive (but not from Article 11), Free Knowledge will suffer even if Wikipedia remains an oasis in the filtered desert of the Internet.

Some five million people in a petition, 145 civil rights and human rights organisations, business and IT associations (including Bitkom, the German Start-Up Association and the Chaos Computer Club), Internet pioneers such as Tim Berners-Lee, journalists' associations and creative professionals are also protesting against the reform in its current form.

We therefore ask you to contact the Members of the European Parliament and inform them of your position on the planned reform.

Thank you.

Hi Chris...

Where is it written that you have to pay to share something?
If people (journalists) who create the content do not get paid, they will quit their job to earn their salary elsewhere and not in the media possibly.
Then who will write the news - fake news ?
When you want to share a newspaper (paper) before sharing it you have to buy it, why would it be different on internet?

Wikipedia? This is the biggest source of misinformation (try changing the language and check the complete difference of content/position) , and where does the correct information come from - real encyclopedia that were copied... Who is doing the job and who earns the money? Not the encyclopedia owners !
One of the most important lesson students learn here at school is NEVER source your information from Wikipedia when doing your homewrok !

Facebook is not earning money for un-created content, they are earning money when they display advertisement on billions of screens and sell your personal data.

Actually, there is nothing in your arguments that make me think this is bad for copyrights.
Maybe you will be able to change my mind but not with such arguments...

Another possibility would be to introduce a payment system. So that everyone who creates a page or a group decides for themselves if the users have to pay something to join the group/like the page.

Chris,

I've been thinking about this since about hour and I must admit this deserves more thinking how to make this possible and simple...
but also some kind of automatic publish/unpublish of pages / groups for us to sell visibility on our website
If only PayPlans would allow us to issue a compliant invoice ....

Hello guys, actually I didn't want to stimulate discussion. I think the problem with the constantly new regulations of the European Union has become clear. And that there should be corresponding functions in the future.

That is why I am postponing this contribution in FEATURE REQUESTS.

Hi Supporter,

I know it would be very elaborate. But an internal payment system would be very advanced. Then you wouldn't need a payment system for registration anymore, but a real money account, where each user decides for himself which page or group he spends money on.

And the creators of pages and groups could earn money directly with their content.

This was just an idea. But I think a very good one.

Even if it would be a lot of work. And very complicated with the account management.

Another possibility would be a donation button. So that users can donate to any page and group or event or user.

Anyway, it's just an idea.

Hi Chris,

It is important to discuss such matters because we first have to really understand the rules and obligations before diving into something that could be misinterpreted and come with a not adapted solution.

First Art. 13 has been renumbered Art. 17, this is important for those who try to find the article.
From what I read in your post Chris your concern is not really about Art. 17 but much more about Art. 18
Please read the pdf and go to page 120
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/A-8-2018-0245-AM-271-271_EN.pdf

Then only about a way of earning/redistributing the income this is something that could be done with PayPlans and/or with Points
Buy points - spend points

Hi Supporter,

thanks for this link. And yes you are right, it has to be discussed. Many people, including myself, have already lodged complaints with the European Union.

But the final decision has not yet been taken. Next week, I think. There are many demos and complaints.

And then you have to wait and see how things develop. Wait and see and drink tea.

Article 11 is also important to know.

Here is a link to the topic:

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/what-is-article-13-article-11-european-directive-on-copyright-explained-meme-ban

Politics will not be able to destroy the Internet. But at some point it will be enough with regulations.

And the main problem is simply that at the moment only website operators are making money.

People where content, videos, photos etc. are made want to earn money too. That is the real problem. And we can create solutions for that.