By Stephen on Thursday, 24 December 2015
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Development Team. I am investing and like your product but you keep changing things and we only find out when we install. I have tried to live with the new Archive Module using the Calendar. But my customers complain. Perhaps a calendar view is helpful when the blog has so many entries each month a list is too big, but many blogs only have a few entries each month which means a list view is much more sensible. Also your calendar with the "popup" has formatting issues in many templates making clicking the results a challenge.
My need was urgent and although the forum suggests you will address this issue I could not wait. I have hacked the calendar view to show a list. This works great for me so I thought I would share it.
I changed the file /components/com_easyblog/themes/wireframe/blogs/calendar/calendar.php which is called from the Archive Module. OK this will render all the calendar displays useless but I do not use them.
The new calender.php file is attached as is a screen shot of how the list looks on my test template.
Open to suggestions on a better solution or how to make this view work alongside the current calendar layout.
Hey Stephen,

Hm, sorry but I don't quite get you here. Previously on 3.9, the archive module displays the year / month which is similar to 5.x. Am I missing anything here?
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Thursday, 24 December 2015 10:56
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With respect, yes you are missing something here. I have two screen captures, both the same website at differnt build standards. What I first delivered to my customer using the 3.x easyblog note that the archive works as many people expect, the breadcrumbs are correct and everybody is happy. Then the current version of easyblog archive. You see it is now a calendar which is also what the breadcrumbs say. Also if you try on may of the templates I use the popup is difficult to navigate to, you need to mouse over a path that keeps the pointer inside the day cell to the popup and that is difficult and not intuitive.
I also include the screen capture of the hacked solution. It now has a title, clear list and the clear next previous. My customer is 100% more happy and I have to agree with them that this is a better user interface. With some more time I could correct the breadcrumbs and even create a full archive module that does not use the calendar display code.
I posted this to try and help you guys appreciate that user interface and consistency is important, i am sorry if this put you on the defensive, that was not my intention.
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Thursday, 24 December 2015 23:51
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Hey Stephen,

Thanks for getting back to me on this. Ah, so this is not the module but it's the view In EasyBlog 3.9, the "archive" view is not really an "archive" view but it's just a simple listing of blog post with titles.

In EasyBlog 5.x, we corrected this behavior by adding true archiving tool. You as the webmaster / site owner need to archive the blog posts manually for posts that really needs to be archived and these posts would still appear as a list on the "Archive" view as shown on my screen shot here, http://screencast.com/t/sluznw07

This is the result of the archive page on EasyBlog 5.x, http://screencast.com/t/DNt2qB9t74p

P/S: No offence taken We always listen to our customers and I was actually just puzzled when you mentioned the archive "module" since we never had an archive module that displays in a list.
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Friday, 25 December 2015 13:37
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Thank you for your feedback but I have to respectfully disagree with your opinions on how a blog should work and how site managers should work. I saw a lot of support for the list view in the forums from others so i do not think I am alone. The idea of clicking on the archive list to get a calendar view feels wrong to me. As I said I see the value if there are a lot of blogs, but not for a few. I see you have an archive view but that is not the issue. Assuming my site managers did archive their blogs, they still would want the style of the side module with all the dates and a link to the blogs.
I believe my customers have busy lives and are unlikely to take time to archive their posts. Indeed they like the style of the archive module list of blogs by year as a bragging list of all their content. Other blog packages offer this and it is a standard feature of many blogs.
I am not sure of the conclusion of your reply. I suspect it is still in the form that "we the designers of EasyBlog know best and you are not using our tool correctly". This is a shame because I believe you could easily improve things by making your archive module a bit more flexible.
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Friday, 25 December 2015 22:38
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Hey Stephen,

Hm, sorry but I am actually at a little lost here. When you mean "module" are you referring to the "archive module"?

The archive module in EasyBlog is already displaying the year / months and clicking on it would link to the calendar view that displays posts by the selected month.

Do you mean you want clicking on the month in the archive module to render a list layout rather than a module?
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Sunday, 27 December 2015 18:18
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Mark,
I am sure you are not trying to be dumb here, but really so many messages to get a simple point across? I have sent you images of the behavior, you can go see the site. There are many other forum posts about the archive module list view issue.
So yes the issue is related to the archive module providing a list view. That is the title of this post.
So that means whereas the latest archive module provides a calendar view with the breadcrumb /calendar I would like to suggest you provide the option to provide a list view of the posts in that month.
You just seem to be playing with words to cloud that issue.
No I do not want to have to archive all the posts and then use a menu item to get an archive list of the posts. That would not involve the archive module, which at the moment does not seem to actually use archived posts. All I want is the well understood format of a tree by month and year that lets visitors look at the blog posts (not archived posts) for a specific month, that view should be a list, perhaps some people would want a calendar, perhaps you could offer both.
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Sunday, 27 December 2015 23:38
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Hey Stephen,

No, I am certainly not trying to cloud the issue and I am not pretending to be dumb I was just trying to be clear of what you are trying to address here.

If you look at your posts carefully, you have never provided a screen shot of the archive "module". You only provided me with the screen shot of the calendar and list view.

Anyway, I do appreciate your time in mentioning this and I understand where you are coming from right now. I will try to see if we can include this in the upcoming release of EasyBlog.
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Monday, 28 December 2015 00:24
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Mark,
Life is too short to fall out.
I am sorry I did not send an image of the archive module position view, that has never been in question and has remained the same through all versions of the module I have experience with.
On three images sent Dec 24th
The first is the result of clicking on an archive module date tree month using the archive module on the older version of Easyblog. It is a list view that was provided by the archive module at that time. The breadcrumb is /archive
The second is the same month clicked on the current archive module showing the now calendar view with the breadcrumb /calendar
The third view is my hacked version which lets my customers get a list view of the posts in a month from clicking a month on the archive module date tree.
For me the main requirements of the view provided by clicking an archive module link would be:

Clear title and month being displayed
Breadcrumbs that make it clear where you are. For me "calendar" is not correct because we were expecting an archive.
A list view of the title, and the date
Ability to move back and forward (previous and next)
Optional, although not essential would be to include some text even a picture, so in effect using the style of the latest Blogs format.

I have built eight sites using Easyblog, all but one is at the current standard, one remains with the old version because it is tricky to update because of how images were used. It will be replaced in the new year. Easyblog is now my preferred way of providing a blog.
These sites use the archive module as a way of promoting the number of blogs produced in a category more like a form of bragging. So my use case is centered on offering quick navigation to blogs that are not on the main page, a sort of way to navigate to the older blogs. There is no requirement to "Archive" the blogs, just a way to get to those that have nee pushed off the main page.
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Monday, 28 December 2015 00:46
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Thanks for your suggestions and I have already logged this down into our issue tracker. We'll most likely see a list layout for 5.0.32, once my designers are back from their annual holidays

I would probably make this as a configurable option rather than enforcing this to be in a list view. Otherwise I would foresee that you are a happy person but the rest of our customers would come back to us with similar feedback like yours
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Tuesday, 29 December 2015 00:46
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