By Torgrim Sandvoll on Thursday, 30 July 2015
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A wish there was a better feature for Quick Posting in EasyBlog with:

1. Only one button to open the editor! ("Quick post")
2. Users can enter title, upload cover image, and a text area where they can write text using Joomla editor (eg. TinyMC) + choose category.

Much like your existing Quick Post - Photos button/editor, but text area with TinyMC editor, and options/category not hidden (why hide these? Not userfriendly, users forget/do not see).

PS1: Whats the use of quickposting blogs if you can not have line breaks in your text? I understand this for status updates in EasyBlog (but I think even EasyBlog have this), but for blog posts???

PS2: Whats the use of posting links if you can not add a title and a description to your link?

PS3: Whats the use of posting a video if you can not add a text/description to it?

PS4: Whats the use of quotes if you can not add a title to it?

Thinking about it I would like exactly the same text area editor as I am using right now writing this feature request!
Hey Torgrim,

I am really sorry for the delay of this reply as it is a weekend for us here. Hm, I guess this is where our opinion differs and to be honest with you, this is a great constructive argument and I like it very much as this would challenge us to understand where you are coming from as a different user perspective.

However, we are also in a chicken and egg situation right now and my only concern right now is the instability of some of the features on EasyBlog 5. Once we iron out most of these teething issues, we'll do something about this for 5.1 definitely. My current vision for the quickpost for 5.1 is to utilize redactor for basic form submission using quick posts and to restore the functionality from 3.9 on the quick post form. Perhaps it wouldn't be called quick post any longer but maybe "Simple editor"
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Saturday, 01 August 2015 14:26
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Hey there,

The idea of quick posting is to quickly post something on the site without going through the bells and whistles of a full fledge WYSIWYG editor. With all those bells and whistles, it wouldn't be called quick posting anyway

Nevertheless, I appreciate your inputs and suggestion and would strongly advise you to post them at http://stackideas.com/voices/easyblog so that this thread doesn't get lost or untracked

This forum is actually meant for support
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Friday, 31 July 2015 00:36
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Then why do you have a "Feature request" category in this forum?

Anyway, I am sorry to say that I think you have missed the mark with EasyBlog as it is now. A composer that is too complicated for the average Joe, and a Quick Post feature that is more suited for EasySocial/Social timeline updates. My users just want to post a blog article with a title and a textdescription/body with images/videos/links.
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Friday, 31 July 2015 01:48
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I don't see why is a composer too complicated? It has the same exact feature / functionality as it does in the previous version and it only loads up in a popup
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Friday, 31 July 2015 01:58
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"Composer too complicated"

I think this is so important that I will give you a detailed answer.

The "Block"/"Add Block" feature is very cool, but takes time to understand. When authoring a blog post most people are used to - well, this - the editor I am writing in right now. A title field and a textarea field with some buttons in a toolbar on top for making text bold or inserting images and links.

Many people will not notice the "Add block" button on the top left, and even if they do click it they will not understand whats just popped up right in their face.

The Blocks Tab is super cool, when popping in focus when when you click inside a block/the textarea, and adding more sections/options (linking) if you eg. select a text snippet. But the new user would think, where is options for inserting a video or image, and not see the "Add block" button.

There is a "Add cover" button on top right. I mean... What do you think an "Add cover" button do, if you had not seen this button before? "Featured image" would probably be better naming for this button, then you tell new users that this has something to do with images at least.

The Main window has a Category link on top. When you click it basically nothing happens... Why not have a drop down where user could select category right here - or remove it from Main window (its a Category section in Post tab, right)?

The Main window has a "Modify" button under the Title. Why? If you were a new user and saw this "Modify" button, do you think you would know what it did? (I do not want my user to fiddle with the SEO title/url, this should happen auto in back).

The text areas has "Enter your text here..." prefilled. Nice, but when I click inside the textarea I would like the prefilled text to disapear, and just start typing, as it is now I have to delete it first, and then start typing. The font is too small also (Wordpress has understood the importance of big fonts when authoring blog posts!)

The main window has three buttons at bottom, and one of them even has three options. I mean...come one!? All you need is a "Publish" button and autosave in the back.

Post tab.
Theres an "Author" section, but you can not do any changes to this. Not needed - just use of space, but I like it (when author has avatar image, this gives confidence and familarity to the user seeing himself/something he knows and like in this new environment).

Categories section. A category is chosen by default. Users often forget to select categories. My site will be filled with post in the "General" default category, even though most of the post belongs to other categories. This should not be selected by default, and if a user tries to publish an article they should be forced to select missing category. Sorry this is not really addressing "Complicated", but rather UIX.

Theres sections to add Tags, General settings, and even Post properties. When a user writes a blog post, do you think he would be interested in posting it tomorrow instead of now/when he clicks the Publish button? You even have settings for editing Creation date and Publish date... Do you think the regular user even know the difference between Creation date and Publish date? Maybe I am wrong, but I have not found a way to hide/remove these settings in Composer for the regular users (other than coding).

Do not get me wrong, I love the new Block-Composer. Theres is so much potential here (thinking that 3rd party developers could develop new specialised blocks, etc), and there is so many buttons and settings to fiddle with.

But for new users it is - well - complicated to understand and use, and it seems to me that users can change settings that I as an admin would not like them to change (like comments off and publishing date).

My users are used to Word, writing a title, some body text and insering images here and there...

And in comes your Quick Post solution, and I am thinking - What a brilliant idea! It is even integrated in EasySocial status update field!! My users can post a blog post from the EasySocial status field - quick and easy!!!

...But they can not, since there is no way to write a regular blog post with a title and some body text with images with the Quick Post feature. The Quick Post feature is some sort of weird categorised facebook/twitter status update feature, where you can insert title and text without images or formatting, or videos without your own descriptions, and links without anything/title or description, I mean...come one!?
Worst thing is that if you quick post, and then later when you are back from whatever and in front of your desktop and want to edit your quick post (upload images, videos, etc, format, add more text and images), you are stuck in quick post mode - you can only insert unformatted text(!)

So you ended up with a complex composer with too many settings and buttons, and an unfamiliar "block" system of doing things, and a useless Quick Post feature, and forgot the editor with a title field on top, a textarea with toolbar buttons (like this one), a select category dropdown menu, and a Publish button...

So my advice to you is to keep the composer, get rid of the Quick Post and make a regular Quick Post editor instead. And let admins be able to choose when and for which users (ACL) the composer kicks in when the user clicks the "Post new" button. And please, please make users of EasySocial be able to post a blog with title, formatted text with images and youtube links, and category select from the status update field! Thats what 95% of my users need. To be able to write a blog article with title, formatted text and images, or to post a video from youtube/mobile phone with title and description.
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Friday, 31 July 2015 04:25
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The Main window has a Category link on top. When you click it basically nothing happens... Why not have a drop down where user could select category right here - or remove it from Main window (its a Category section in Post tab, right)?

If you choose multiple categories for your blog post, there needs to be a way to determine your primary post and this is the way to select your primary category


The Main window has a "Modify" button under the Title. Why? If you were a new user and saw this "Modify" button, do you think you would know what it did? (I do not want my user to fiddle with the SEO title/url, this should happen auto in back).

This is very subjective. It's something extensible that some authors might want. Heck, even both Joomla and Wordpress has an "alias" text field which allows you to modify your alias


Theres sections to add Tags, General settings, and even Post properties. When a user writes a blog post, do you think he would be interested in posting it tomorrow instead of now/when he clicks the Publish button? You even have settings for editing Creation date and Publish date... Do you think the regular user even know the difference between Creation date and Publish date? Maybe I am wrong, but I have not found a way to hide/remove these settings in Composer for the regular users (other than coding).

I don't see your point here really. In EasyBlog 3.9, we have the exact same fields and I am not sure why is this a big issue now in EasyBlog 5?


Categories section. A category is chosen by default. Users often forget to select categories. My site will be filled with post in the "General" default category, even though most of the post belongs to other categories. This should not be selected by default, and if a user tries to publish an article they should be forced to select missing category. Sorry this is not really addressing "Complicated", but rather UIX.

I would disagree with this. Since the entire post here is all about UX, you are forcing users to perform an additional step to save a blog post. How would that solve your user's experience? Simply because your site operates this way, this doesn't mean that our software should work like how your site needs it to be
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Friday, 31 July 2015 12:29
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Here we go...
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If you choose multiple categories for your blog post, there needs to be a way to determine your primary post and this is the way to select your primary category
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So you have something called "primary post" and "primary category"? Whats the difference between a regular post and a primary post? (You do not have to answer this...)

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Heck, even both Joomla and Wordpress has an "alias" text field which allows you to modify your alias
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No, they do not! I use both, and none of them have this in the frontend/you can turn this off for frontend submission. This is an admin feature, and should not be given to a new/frontend user. You have also managed to design the Modify-url-alias-button in such a way that the user is not sure what he is actually modifying when clicking this button, is it the title or something else?
True, its a good admin feature, but ask yourself this, if you have a system that can find the alias automatically for you, why bother new/frontend users with this?

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In EasyBlog 3.9, we have the exact same fields and I am not sure why is this a big issue now in EasyBlog 5?
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Then this was a big issue in EasyBlog 3.9. I have not used 3.9, I am just telling you about my user experience with the composer in 5.

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Since the entire post here is all about UX, you are forcing users to perform an additional step to save a blog post.
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True, this point is not about "Complicated composer". Its about users not choosing categories when blogging, they just write a title and some text with images, and click the Publish button. I just wish Category was a required field (users would need to actively choose a category to be able to publish).

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Anyway, I hope you see my point here. The composer is good for my experienced/advanced users, but EasyBlog is missing a functional Quick Post feature. A frontend quick post feature that just has the basic features needed for a new user to post a blog with title, bodytext with images and/or video, and category selector. My community site success depends on users posting status updates and blogs, and if it is too complicated to edit a blog post they will not do it! You are so close with the Quick Blog button integrated in the EasySocial status update field, it is just a shame that this quick post feature fail to fulfill users basic needs. And there is no way for me as admin to control which users are getting the composer, and which users are getting the basics/quick post, for editing and publishing a blog post.
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Friday, 31 July 2015 17:14
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Thank you for your answer Mark! I will cross my fingers and wait for 5.1!

As I see it there are two user perspectives on EasyBlog.
1. The bloggers are admins/authors for site. Eg. Company site that needs blog section in addition to eshop, etc. Composer with premade templates and all the bells and whistles, is perfect for this.

2. The bloggers are community members. Eg. EasySocial community where members are encouraged to post blog articles in addition to short status updates. "Simple editor" needed for these members.

My user perspective is 2 using EasySocial for status updates, and encouraging my members (hopefully 1000+) to also post blog articles on my site.

EasyBlog with a "simple editor" that is integrated in EasySocial (like the Quick Post feature is today) would be a perfect solution for my community needs.
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Monday, 03 August 2015 17:22
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PS:
I think I like the categorised Quick Post solution/idea. Most of the time community members would just like to post a blog about an image (just one image), a (youtube) video, a link, or text. And this categorisation eases and steers users in the right direction. But every category needs a title field and description field (even links), and the description field need formatting/redactor, to be useful. And a Select category dropdown.

Maybe the categorising into video, image, link and text is just complicating things, since you could do all of the above with a "simple editor", but I am thinking that if you have this categorising it would give admins very much control over how styling is done for each category, and the blog section would look more consistent (not giving users the option to put image/video first, last, in the midle, forgetting cover image, not figuring out how to insert a video into post, etc.).

Just a thought...
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Monday, 03 August 2015 18:06
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In 5.0.18, I have added quite a number of panels options which you can turn off. They are located in Settings > General > Composer This is the first baby step that we will be introducing to stream down the composer interface.
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Monday, 03 August 2015 22:41
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Thank you for the update Mark. This will work for me!

But I think you should rather put/control this in EasyBlog > ACL.
EasyBlog > Settings > General > Composer, is for sitewide defaults, dont you think?

I would rather like to hide url-alias, tags, post properties, commenting and the options under General section per user level, than site wide. Much more control, and I would think some sites have different users (advanced/authors, and community members/newbies).

As pointed out earlier you actually have a setting for hiding Commenting option in Composer in EasyBlog > ACL. Great! If it had only worked. The way it works now is that it turns off commenting for all registered users, even though I have chosen Commenting enabled as deafult for my site.

Hope you understand the problem:
Components > EasyBlog > ACL says:
"Change Comment Settings When Composing Blog Post"
This is perfect! I want to hide/make registered users not able to access/change this setting.
But when I turn this to No for registered users, registered users can not see/change this option in Composer (great!), but also the commenting is turned off for their published blog post, even though I have set this as enabled site wide.
Do you see the bug?

I want my authors to have all the features in the Composer, and be able to change settings for publishing date, url-alias, etc., but I do not want my registered users (community members) to be able to see/change/be bothered with url-alias, tags, post properties, commenting and the options under General section.

By adding this to ACL instead of Settings > General > Composer, you give your customers full control/a better solution.
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Tuesday, 04 August 2015 17:26
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Hey Torgrim,

Thank you for your constructive feedback and we really appreciate your kind input especially for the future benefit of the easyblog 5 composer. We will surely take this into consideration and hopefully we will be able to implement it in easyblog 5.1. For now I will just add this idea into our codebase and we will consider further about this.

Hope you understand the problem:
Components > EasyBlog > ACL says:
"Change Comment Settings When Composing Blog Post"
This is perfect! I want to hide/make registered users not able to access/change this setting.
But when I turn this to No for registered users, registered users can not see/change this option in Composer (great!), but also the commenting is turned off for their published blog post, even though I have set this as enabled site wide.
Do you see the bug?

I also notice that there will be some issue when admin turned off commenting options from the ACL where by default the commenting options will be "No" by default. I will forward this to our developers and they will provide the fix as soon as possible. Thank you for your kind understanding.
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Wednesday, 05 August 2015 16:28
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